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2)Noticeable improvement in the offense even though the Giants only win maybe 3 more games?

3)No chance they are staying, the die has been cast. They are gone come the end of the season.

4)Their jobs are not in jeopardy at all because they are not judging Mcadoo on 1 season. They will also use the loss of every wide receiver on the team as an excuse even though they were win-less with them.

Maybe Reese and Mac say that Eli is the wrong QB for the system and that is why the offense doesn’t work. So they get rid of Eli in the off season and go with a draft pick or Webb next year. For Reese to make a statement like it’s all on me, its my team, I built it sounds like he thinks he is Teflon and in no danger.

I know some of you will say that what Coach or GM will go potentially into their final season with Webb at QB or even a Rookie? I think these 2 arrogant guys would. Remember they have the owners ear. Also the Giants brass are known as an extremely loyal group.

My 2 cents.. I want them gone but I don’t see it happening. I think the Giants have to not win another game and Mac has to totally lose the locker room.. Which I don’t think he has.. They’re are malcontents.. and I think they will not be hear next season.. I also think Eli won’t be here either.
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I used to be serious about this over the weekend. What do you suppose the brink is for them to keep employed with the Giants?

1)Do you suppose there may be an quantity of video games wanted to be received? (6,7,Eight or 9)

2)Noticeable enchancment within the offense although the Giants solely win perhaps Three extra video games?

Three)No likelihood they’re staying, the die has been forged. They are gone come the tip of the season.

Four)Their jobs usually are not in jeopardy in any respect as a result of they aren’t judging Mcadoo on 1 season. They will even use the lack of each extensive receiver on the workforce as an excuse although they had been win-less with them.

Maybe Reese and Mac say that Eli is the incorrect QB for the system and that’s the reason the offense does not work. So they do away with Eli within the off season and go together with a draft choose or Webb subsequent 12 months. For Reese to make a press release like it’s all on me, its my workforce, I constructed it appears like he thinks he’s Teflon and in no hazard.

I do know a few of you’ll say that what Coach or GM will go doubtlessly into their closing season with Webb at QB or perhaps a Rookie? I feel these 2 smug guys would. Remember they’ve the house owners ear. Also the Giants brass are often called an especially loyal group.

My 2 cents.. I need them gone however I do not see it occurring. I feel the Giants have to not win one other recreation and Mac has to completely lose the locker room.. Which I do not suppose he has.. They’re are malcontents.. and I feel they won’t be hear subsequent season.. I additionally suppose Eli will not be right here both.

earlier than a judgement may be made on both Reese or MacAdoo. Your final line, although, is fascinating. Where is Eli going to go? And what are the wage cap implications? I actually don’t suppose Mara will permit Eli to be traded, except Eli asks for a commerce, which I don’t see as a poosinility.

In remark 13669224 johnnyb stated:
earlier than a judgement may be made on both Reese or MacAdoo. Your final line, although, is fascinating. Where is Eli going to go? And what are the wage cap implications? I actually don’t suppose Mara will permit Eli to be traded, except Eli asks for a commerce, which I don’t see as a poosinility.

I agree and I do not suppose Eli ought to go, but when that is the battle cry of Reese and Mac… All they’ve to inform him subsequent 12 months is that we’ll be transitioning to a brand new QB and you may be a wholesome scratch.. that would break his streak and perhaps he does not need that?

I actually do not know, I’m simply speculating

I am an advocate of ending the home cleansing that began when TC was dismissed – they gave the remainder of the teaching employees and Reese an opportunity, and they’d one up and one actually down 12 months. It’s time for another person to take a stab at it, IMO.

That stated – we’re not privy to what Mara is aware of, so it’s onerous to say what it’ll take for them to keep or go.

We do not understand how reluctant Mara is to pull the set off on a GM (Giants have not had many, however that is the one one he is ever employed).

We do not know the place every of those guys stood on the personnel within the constructing. For all we all know – Reese or McAdoo (or hell, each) had been of the opinion that the workforce was nonetheless rebuilding and final 12 months was a fluke, and had been anticipating a down 12 months this 12 months.

We do not understand how a lot management anybody has in there – was McAdoo Reese’s appointment or was it totally Mara’s name? Was there any involvement by Chris Mara in personnel choice which may have brought on them to bypass gamers that ended up doing higher elsewhere? Did McAdoo not have sufficient say within the creation of the roster, and perhaps identified holes that weren’t addressed or had gamers he wasn’t in favor of compelled on him?

Only administration is aware of how a lot of this mess every of them is accountable for.

I would like the home to be cleaned – GM, Scouts, Coaches. No holdovers. At a minimal, Reese has earned his pink slip. Before the primary snap of the preseason, the workforce was poor. One can rehash his drafts and his want to compensate with FA to make-up for the misses. Unfortunately, I feel Ben has a ready-made excuse with the accidents alone. In typical dysfunction, the Giants may method the reorganization piece-meal. A brand new GM could be straddled with Ben. They can justify it with the damage excuse and spin it that the brand new GM can be evaluating the teaching employees over the following season.

off season Tom. All we are able to do is speculate.

In remark 13669228 Tom from LI stated:
In remark 13669224 johnnyb stated:

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earlier than a judgement may be made on both Reese or MacAdoo. Your final line, although, is fascinating. Where is Eli going to go? And what are the wage cap implications? I actually don’t suppose Mara will permit Eli to be traded, except Eli asks for a commerce, which I don’t see as a poosinility.

I agree and I do not suppose Eli ought to go, but when that is the battle cry of Reese and Mac… All they’ve to inform him subsequent 12 months is that we’ll be transitioning to a brand new QB and you may be a wholesome scratch.. that would break his streak and perhaps he does not need that?

I actually do not know, I’m simply speculating

We all chuckle at house owners similar to Jerrah whom contain themselves in participant selections. But I do not suppose Mara would permit Eli to be a wholesome scratch. I do not see Mara paying $16 MM to Eli to watch a recreation. If Reese and Ben are united in transitioning to a brand new QB, then I do not see Mara paying a $5 MM roster bonus to Eli. The commerce state of affairs is a pipe dream. Eli both performs for the Giants, launched earlier than the roster bonus, or retires.

McAdoo except he begins strolling round in a catatonic state. I do not just like the idea of a cut up ticket, both, so my guess is each guys return . They are one 12 months faraway from an 11-win season . How many coaches in Giants historical past have truly completed that? Yeah there used to be 12 & 14-game seasons , however it’s nonetheless an accomplishment with gravitas .

The conundrum is what to do concerning the quarterback scenario . The Giants are definitely adequate to sweep the Redskins, beat Dallas within the rematch and add extra distress to the 49ers season. But what’s gained by that when the quarterback is previous?

Regardless of who’s again or not subsequent 12 months, any person has to have some proof on Webb. The complete group could be wiped . Ownership will not , although . The new broom would have to go into the draft presuming , I suppose, that Webb isn’t the long-term reply . It would assist to see what he can do.

But I do not suppose the Giants will go that route. Coughlin minimize the chord with Warner that first season . As we’re seeing in Jacksonville, for higher or worse, Coughlin isn’t a timid man.

The Giants are. Therefore my guess is everybody can be again. Prop up Eli. Reprieves for McAdoo & Reese, with Squint Jr’s now notorious , “This is not acceptable” bone being thrown to the huddled lots.

to sweep the Redskins, beat Dallas and the Niners…

in the event that they play competitively and the rationale they’re dropping is due to lack of expertise, possession could make the argument that the workforce hasn’t give up on McAdoo.

However…as a result of the Giants have 5 extra dwelling video games left, if the workforce appears lifeless (and you’ll know it once you see it) and seems unprepared (particularly on protection) and there may be dissension, that can give the sign.

Those Three dwelling video games in December out of the ultimate 4 in opposition to division groups will give a barometer. If you’re a veteran workforce at (projected) 2-10 going into these video games, you might be greater than doubtless making ready for Cancun.

Fassell ‘s final season he was hit with tons of accidents
however Fassell was in the end fired when the workforce basically gave up on him

It definitely does not bode properly for MacAdoo when you could have a veteran strolling out on the workforce and now demanding a commerce.

I feel MacAdoo may survive if he places collectively a string of victories
7-9 or higher would in all probability save his job

I feel Reese is extra difficult
first Reese has by no means picked QB Eli and his bloated contract was a part of the deal when Reese was promoted
I additionally am satisfied that if Reese misplaced his job tomorrow he would have 5 presents to GM one other workforce – the following day – an honest GM is difficult to discover in NFL so Giants could be pondering the satan you understand is best than the devli you do not know .

The solely means Reese loses his job is that if there’s a excessive profile coach ready in wings to take over Giants and they arrive with a handpicked GM as a package deal deal

Which they could have. At least Reese. If not, they’ll borrow Quinn’s, for a value.

Which is nice as a result of there aren’t many on the market on the schedule.

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At an absolute minimal, Reese has to go. Let the brand new GM resolve on McAdoo.

To reply the query, in all probability a 6-10 document may give Mara cowl to keep Reese.

In remark 13669310 giantfan2000 stated:

I feel Reese is extra difficult
first Reese has by no means picked QB Eli and his bloated contract was a part of the deal when Reese was promoted
I additionally am satisfied that if Reese misplaced his job tomorrow he would have 5 presents to GM one other workforce – the following day – an honest GM is difficult to discover in NFL so Giants could be pondering the satan you understand is best than the devli you do not know .

What are you speaking about? Reese by no means picked Eli, however he’s completely accountable for the contracts. Eli acquired 2 contracts underneath Jerry’s watch. When Jerry took over in 2007, Eli was nonetheless underneath his rookie contract.

The latest down years had been 7-9, 6-10 & 6-10. The workforce fought onerous regardless of being out of it early in 13 & 14, bear in mind the Giants had been Three-9 in 14. In 15 loads of shut video games had been misplaced in brutal style.

I feel 6-Eight wins you’ll be able to chalk up to accidents, but when this can be a 2-Four win season, there may be nothing you’ll be able to chalk that up to. Four-12 is a backside out document which value each Jim Fassel & Andy Reid their jobs.

So, the rest of the season nonetheless is a part of the analysis.

What are you speaking about? Reese by no means picked Eli, however he’s completely accountable for the contracts. Eli acquired 2 contracts underneath Jerry’s watch. When Jerry took over in 2007, Eli was nonetheless underneath his rookie contract.

Reese inherited Eli from Ernie .. Eli is just about untouchable in Giants Organization . So in a way ,Eli has all the time had the higher hand in negotiations .

So what I’m saying is that a GM normally will get to choose their coach and their QB Reese has constructed workforce in in all places however a very powerful place..

their QB since 2004 and nonetheless are weak at so many areas on Offense is sort of telling…

and does not give the looks of bailing on the coaches, I think they will be again for yet one more season, for many causes Retro outlined. It would be very in contrast to NYG to pull the set off, particularly given all of the accidents which have added an additional ingredient of imploding this season.

In remark 13669386 giantfan2000 stated:

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What are you speaking about? Reese by no means picked Eli, however he’s completely accountable for the contracts. Eli acquired 2 contracts underneath Jerry’s watch. When Jerry took over in 2007, Eli was nonetheless underneath his rookie contract.

Reese inherited Eli from Ernie .. Eli is just about untouchable in Giants Organization . So in a way ,Eli has all the time had the higher hand in negotiations .

So what I’m saying is that a GM normally will get to choose their coach and their QB Reese has constructed workforce in in all places however a very powerful place..

Well, it can be debated whether or not Jerry selected Ben or whether or not it was solely John and Steve. But one cannot say he was saddled with a coach from one other GM. Ben is Jerry’s coach whether or not he was immediately employed or not by him. And folks typically neglect, however Jerry has chosen his QB. He has chosen it Four occasions. The jury remains to be out on Webb, however Andre Woodson, Rhett Bomar, Ryan Nassib have all flamed out.

Young guys enhance, Giants are aggressive with perhaps a win in opposition to the Cowboys and Eagles, I feel the coach may save his job.

I feel the ship has sailed for Reese. Watching video games across the league. Seeing linebacker play and line play on either side of the ball superior to the Giants; seeing mid spherical draft picks excell, evaluating it with Reese s observe document the previous years, I feel he s gone.

His most up-to-date press convention was very complicated to me. Bought into the hype, Why?

His plan to construct a workforce has not been sustainable.

Well, it can be debated whether or not Jerry selected Ben or whether or not it was solely John and Steve. But one cannot say he was saddled with a coach from one other GM. Ben is Jerry’s coach whether or not he was immediately employed or not by him. And folks typically neglect, however Jerry has chosen his QB. He has chosen it Four occasions. The jury remains to be out on Webb, however Andre Woodson, Rhett Bomar, Ryan Nassib have all flamed out.

legitimate factors
I take a look at Dallas the place Jerry Jones had nearly irrational beloved Romo – a lot that it was just about not possible for Jason Garrett to recommend a change at QB .

it might be argued that the very best factor that ever occur to Jason Garrett was Romo getting harm .

he may need an opportunity to keep. Reese is nearly as good as gone.

If Reese is gone….so is the teaching employees except the brand new GM decides to keep them.
If Met Life is like it was for the Seahawks recreation, you’ll be able to kiss everybody goodbye. Mara is not going to stand the visiting workforce followers to rock the stadium each week and sit by and do nothing.

And it’s a foul signal if the Giants mail it in on Thanksgiving in opposition to the Redskins. Very dangerous.

two years, one up and one down. However, you’ll be able to level to the offense being dangerous for two years as a detrimental for him returning. He is meant to be an offensive minded coach.

The actual level is that it is time for Reese to go. I feel the possibilities of getting your goal GM go down if you happen to handcuff him by saying he has to keep the coach. So, if McAdoo has to go as a provision for bringing in a brand new GM, so be it.

Reese took over as GM, we’ve got solely received greater than Eight video games in a season Four occasions! That means 6 years of sub .500 play!

Really disturbing to me. I am prepared to see a brand new GM and coach subsequent 12 months.

New GM will need to choose his man, and if the remaining construction seems too meddlesome, discovering a brand new GM goes to be much more of a problem.

These guys are each again. Just like final 12 months’s O line was the O line for this season. Coughlin already took the bullet for Reese, they will not fireplace Reese and keep Mac, and they definitely will not fireplace each of them. I like how the Giants usually are not impulsive and are keen to trip out powerful occasions for the sake of continuity and to keep away from all that comes with new teaching staffs and schemes, nonetheless, the truth that they fired a HOF coach and saved the man who’s the rationale why this workforce has a horrible offensive line, and dont even have an offense (outdoors of that anomalous Denver recreation) if their one star participant is unavailable. It appears dangerous for Reese and Mac, however they are going to each survive so long as they win 6 video games.

Who thinks Reese would get 5 presents is totally clueless, I argued with folks about Fassel additionally, he by no means acquired a proposal, Reese won’t ever get a proposal as a result of he’s a horrible GM, Fassel was not a horrible coach, the explanations had been completely different. Reese could get a scouting job, however that’s the place he’ll get presents, not as a GM.

Osi, Tuck, Strahan, Webster on protection, he had probably the greatest offensive traces he added no person who took over and did something however a foul job on the offensive line. He additionally had a franchise QB with Burress, Toomer, and Shockey as playmakers together with Jacobs additionally operating again, poor Reese, how did he ever do it.

Had a future Hall of fame head coach, what a job he did. Took over a franchise that was as simple to take over as any at the moment, probably the greatest at the moment. How would you rank us now?

But I say that with the assumption the Giants go Three-13 or so. Mara can have to take a look at this offense the final 2-Three years and conclude that mcadoo hasn’t introduced something to the desk. It was Beckham who helped Eli. Not mcadoo.

This actually is a horrible and on the identical time fascinating 12 months. We’ve NEVER been on this spot because the late 70s. Some Fans proclaiming that Mara has to do that or that (clear home) aren’t recognizing the dynamic right here. The Giants have not fired a GM in shut to 40 years. 40! They do fireplace coaches however even that transfer is often a final resort. To say this can be a distinctive and delicate scenario would be an understatement. I do know everybody hates Reese however the Giants keep the GM as a result of they crave stability. And who can blame them? For probably the most half this philosophy has labored and labored properly. They have caught with gms like accorsi who at one cut-off date had been public enemy primary round right here. Who right here appreciated accorsi in 2003? Granted it’s apples and oranges to examine his tenure to Reese however it’s nonetheless relevant.

I don’t know what the Giants do and anybody pondering they do know is fooling themselves. There isn’t any knowledge to go on. We are in uncharted waters. Gun to my head I feel they clear home however I actually do not know.

But I say that with the assumption the Giants go Three-13 or so. Mara can have to take a look at this offense the final 2-Three years and conclude that mcadoo hasn’t introduced something to the desk. It was Beckham who helped Eli. Not mcadoo.

This actually is a horrible and on the identical time fascinating 12 months. We’ve NEVER been on this spot because the late 70s. Some Fans proclaiming that Mara has to do that or that (clear home) aren’t recognizing the dynamic right here. The Giants have not fired a GM in shut to 40 years. 40! They do fireplace coaches however even that transfer is often a final resort. To say this can be a distinctive and delicate scenario would be an understatement. I do know everybody hates Reese however the Giants keep the GM as a result of they crave stability. And who can blame them? For probably the most half this philosophy has labored and labored properly. They have caught with gms like accorsi who at one cut-off date had been public enemy primary round right here. Who right here appreciated accorsi in 2003? Granted it’s apples and oranges to examine his tenure to Reese however it’s nonetheless relevant.

I don’t know what the Giants do and anybody pondering they do know is fooling themselves. There isn’t any knowledge to go on. We are in uncharted waters. Gun to my head I feel they clear home however I actually do not know.

But I say that with the assumption the Giants go Three-13 or so. Mara can have to take a look at this offense the final 2-Three years and conclude that mcadoo hasn’t introduced something to the desk. It was Beckham who helped Eli. Not mcadoo.

This actually is a horrible and on the identical time fascinating 12 months. We’ve NEVER been on this spot because the late 70s. Some Fans proclaiming that Mara has to do that or that (clear home) aren’t recognizing the dynamic right here. The Giants have not fired a GM in shut to 40 years. 40! They do fireplace coaches however even that transfer is often a final resort. To say this can be a distinctive and delicate scenario would be an understatement. I do know everybody hates Reese however the Giants keep the GM as a result of they crave stability. And who can blame them? For probably the most half this philosophy has labored and labored properly. They have caught with gms like accorsi who at one cut-off date had been public enemy primary round right here. Who right here appreciated accorsi in 2003? Granted it’s apples and oranges to examine his tenure to Reese however it’s nonetheless relevant.

I don’t know what the Giants do and anybody pondering they do know is fooling themselves. There isn’t any knowledge to go on. We are in uncharted waters. Gun to my head I feel they clear home however I actually do not know.

was all the time “Play meaningful games in December.”

accidents are the trigger which Mara will maintain as reason behind dangerous season.

plus, Mara desires continuity and keep the course means of doing issues. not a lot change in off season if in any respect

In remark 13669915 micky stated:
accidents are the trigger which Mara will maintain as reason behind dangerous season.

plus, Mara desires continuity and keep the course means of doing issues. not a lot change in off season if in any respect

I would purchase that if the Giants rallied & completed 6-10 / 7-9.

If they end Three-13 / Four-12, I count on a full home cleansing.

if the following GM desires him in some capability (OC or HC) . Reese ought to have been gone a very long time in the past so who is aware of ? Unless there’s a main change on the prime we can have the identical previous BS right here.

The workforce would have to win each recreation for the rest of the season, and perhaps qualify for the wild card.
It will not occur.
FIRE THEM BOTH!

of the house owners will keep Reese from being fired, if thats true then how come they fired TC and made it seem that each factor was his fault, what’s Reese doing proper now that makes him untouchable……..

No end result would shock me. Neither a full home cleansing nor a whole retention of everybody would shock (or something in between). It can be fascinating.

In remark 13669946 TMS stated:
if the following GM desires him in some capability (OC or HC) . Reese ought to have been gone a very long time in the past so who is aware of ? Unless there’s a main change on the prime we can have the identical previous BS right here.

If a brand new GM is available in and retains McAdoo in any capability I’ll shit sideways.

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